Forgot Bigfoot-Grizzly Spotted!
I may have dug up something on grizzlies for you. USFWS is investigating a video of possible grizzly taken near the CO/NM border about 1 month ago by a man in Chama. We found out about this video while investigating some bigfoot stuff down there (yes, I’m the idiot from Kansas who seriously thought bigfoot might be real). CDOW ignorred the video information, so I am giving all that stuff to USFWS now.
I know that CDOW is sitting on a 35mm photo of a Colorado grizzly sow and two cubs taken near Pagosa Springs in 1998. I have my sources on that one. Why do they withhold the stuff? Well, the “Endangered Species Listings” can cause some real radical federal actions as far as land use in some areas go.
Tell you what, I’ve hunted the San Juan Wilderness for over 25 years now, and I was hunting on the Rito Gato when Wiseman was attacked by that sow on the Adams Fork a few miles away. We had found definite grizzly tracks in that area in 1975, and they were not sow grizzly tracks, but obviously from a big boar. We reported the tracks to a CDOW officer who checked our permits and he just laughed and told us flatlanders how poor we were at identifying bear tracks. A 200 yard walk and he could have seen them himself, but he was too lazy and too smart. He did not know that we had hunted much in grizzly country of the north for years and years and had seen those types of tracks before. We had all been on many bear hunts, moose hunts, elk hunts and other western hunts many times. I walked along behind my first grizzly tracks on the Bacon Creek in the Gros Ventre area of Wyoming, as they were extremely fresh in the falling snow and I was fall black bear hunting. I peeled off after I realized I was stillhunting and stalking a rocky mountain grizzly boar with my bow. I’ve spent over 300 days in a tent in the San Juans during the last 25 years, and another 200 days in a cabin there. How about you? Wish I could have found that particular gleefully intelligent CDOW officer and rubbed his face in the carcass of that sow grizzly that attacked Wiseman. Hope it happens again with grizzlies and other big rare predators.
I just found some photos of big, big, human like tracks that was taken at the upper elevations on the Rito Gato west of Platoro in 1988, that had been collecting dust. Wonder what is leaving those huge tracks there way back in places where few people go? Wonder why some hoaxer “faked” them way up there? Hopefully some day we will find out.
Also discovered another hunting guide and local outdoor daily cowboy who rides those mountains all summer in the last few weeks with some bigfoot tales from the San Juans. He says grizzlies are still there too. He lives there, and “out there” all the time, so who are you going to believe. If I want to find out something about the city, I ask someone who lives there. I trust that cowboy/hunting guide who told me that both grizzlies and bigfoot are still wandering the higher and lonelier places of the San Juans of southern Colorado.
I don’t know why city people are always trying to tell the country folk what exists and what doesn’t exist in the country folks backyard. I may not be a native Coloradan, but my grand-dad owned two ranches there and I have spent more time in the San Juan Wilderness than most Coloradans, by a dang long shot.
Colorado grizzlies are like bigfoots, and eastern cougars. There is no such thing, but they do leave tracks that are identifiable and found is some out of the way places more regularly than most know. My personal conclusion is that none of them really exist, but that their tracks are most definitely real. I’ll put my track i.d. skills and tracking skills up against any comers in an open and public contest, any day. You guys have no idea of some of the well known professional people who would rather keep quiet but that I am working with on this subject. You also have no idea of the extent of physical evidence we have collected in the form of tracks, hair and droppings and such. We collect the grizzly stuff too, as an aside. Keep your mind open, as there may be some hairy surprises in the future. Then again, maybe Colorado grizzlies and bigfoot are too smart to ever be caught.
Thanks Hornhunter. I know you didn’t call me an idiot. I called myself an idiot. Really though, I can’t help it if I found the tracks. That was an accidental find that I kind of wish had never happened to me. I’m moderating my position a little on bigfoot and just looking at the physical evidence now, instead of following up every sighting in Colorado. This is why I say, “bigfoot can not possibly exist, but I know that it’s tracks do”. This is also the conclusion of the Eagle County Law Officials and Wildlife Officials in that area of Colorado after the track finds there this spring. You will see a series of articles in the Denver Post by their environment writer Theo Stein in a week or so that will likely detail the statements of the Eagle County people. So I have taken that position now too. If “officials” can take that stance, so can I. What it means to others, I don’t know.
I have to keep reminding myself that prior to the personal experience with this bigfoot creature, I would have never ever believed such a thing could be out there.
Probably is a waste of time, as one guy hunting for something so rare with a camcorder has about a ziltch chance of ever getting a video of it, by any means. I have seen no evidence of grizzly in the San Juans since 1975, but I still hold some hope of it’s existance there. My study into that is probably a waste of time too. One researcher, with little help and no funding does not have much chance of accomplishing much. I’ll just keep documenting the stuff and if the grizzly or bigfoot is ever officialized there, we will at least have some documentation to give us a little history of it for making future plans.
Without my documentation, if bigfoot is discovered in any one locale in Colorado officially, that area would likely be shut down to all use (no hunting of nothin) by USFWS. With my documentation that shows that they are in several areas and move around a lot, they will see that it would be useless to shut any one area down and land use could still be continued by hunters and other outdoor people, even in the local area of official discovery. My documentation should help keep areas open to hunting, backpacking, fishing, ect.. With the grizzly, I won’t be of much help, and some areas may be closed to human activity if they are proved to be in some particular area. My best guess is that if grizzlies are there, they hang on the west slope of the divide in the San Juans in a line from Pagosa Springs to Chama, and there “were” not more than perhaps 15 to 30 of them there. Less than 15 in 1979, and they could not have maintained a large enough genetic base to survive since 1979 up to this time, 21 years later. More than 30, and I think we would see them more. “If” they are there, they must be right at the edge of extinction and barely holding on genetically. The Weminuche (sp?) Wilderness also has some huge areas that see extremely little to no human activity, so perhaps there are a few grizzly there too. I’d like to spend a couple of months backpacking that wilderness area some day, just to poke around looking for animal sign.
My best to you all. Good bowhunting.
If you find bigfoot tracks, document them and contact me. If you can’t remember who I am, send them to Idaho State University or to the Utah Department of Wildlife Salt Lake City office and they will get to me. Thanks.
Here are the tracks found at Eagle this spring. They are 19 inches long and just under 10 inches wide, which is a large set. The only larger set found in Colorado and documented were recorded on video by a law officer (Joe Taylor Jr. who now is a police officer in Alamosa I think, and should be in the phone book if still there) in Conejos County in 1993 and those were 20 inches long by 10 inches wide and a 5 foot stride in single file. Those videoed tracks consisted of thousands of them in snow and mud as the officer followed the tracks for quite a ways as they wound off up a saddle between two mountains. Actually there were two sets of tracks made in that case. The tracks I found in the San Juan Wilderness were “only” 16 inches long, and about 7.5 to 8 inches wide, with a 4 foot stride where it was walking a straight line and slightly less where it turned to head in a different direction.
The tracks look quite different from bear tracks in shape and how they are laid out. Bears have a wide straddle while walking, and the tracks will appear zig-zag. Bigfoot tracks are laid out like people tracks in a straight line. Bear tracks are also curved in an arc across the toes, whereas bigfoot tracks have a pretty straight toeline. Bears very often step their rear foot right on to their forefoot track, giving a double deposit in one spot that might be confuse with a bigfoot track, except for the pointed rear heel, curved toe line and claws usually showing. Bigfoot have wide and rounded heels as you can see in the track photos attached. Most bigfoot tracks are too wide for bear tracks, so it is easy to tell the difference most times. Smaller bigfoot tracks might be passed off as barefoot human tracks and ignorred by anyone who finds them while hiking in the outdoors. Probably many bigfoot tracks seen are given only a glance and ignorred as bear tracks by most people, especially those found in snow. Few would know the difference probably, and just see the track line in the snow and think, “hey, look, a bear walked in the snow here”. Certainly no one is expecting to see or looking for bigfoot tracks, and only the larger bigfoot tracks might draw any special attention, which seems to be the case in Colorado. They see the unusually large tracks and might take a photo or something, and that is about it. Every once in awhile someone knows they are unusual enough that “someone” might be interested and actually tell officials about the tracks. Most track photos or reports like that are probably collecting dust like those I found this month from a 1988 incident.
There are two options for the tracks as big as those found at Eagle this spring. They are too big for any bears tracks, and so were either faked by someone or belong to an unknown animal. The sheriffs office (sargeant Bill Kaufman; source) and forest service biologists (biologist Bill Heicher; source) there decided that they were not faked, because when they went to the location, there were no other people tracks there or near the tracks, they knew the man that found them, the tracks were located in a spot were softer and better faking soil was within a few yards, they were on the south side of the river where access and people use was rare, the tracks were pressed into the soil with much force (slightly deeper than their own human tracks there, but so much larger), the tracks were obviously pressed into the ground and not drawn on the ground by moving soil material, the tracks showed toe movement between the two better tracks, with the toes curled more in one track than the other, and several other factors too complicated to mention here. We were fortunate in this particular set of tracks that the animal that made them made a sharp turn to the left in one of the tracks and that particular track showed some of the foot toe movements and indicated exactly how the turn was made in an abrupt manner.
What was neat about the tracks video taped in Conejos County in 1993 by officer Joe Taylor Jr. was that some of the tracks were in very wet soft mud and the toes in some of the tracks squished in deep enough to show toenail prints across the top front of the toes. They toenails were kind of chisel shaped and very human (primate) looking, and not claws.
I’m just trying to find out what is making these tracks. If they are faked, the person faking all of them is doing one fine job of fooling the experts in physical evidence, including some of the best anthropologists, wildlife biologists, experienced detectives, FBI forensic scientists, and me. He has also been faking them with regularity for more than 50 years. The faker can also walk uphill with 20 inch feet strapped on and maintain a 5 foot stride for quite a distance while doing it, plus must be carrying lots of weight in a backpack to get the feet to squish into the mud like they did in Conejos County in 1993, the whole while he is walking uphill and maintaining that long stride, actually a running stride length for a person. After investigating a few of these track cases, it starts getting more ridiculous to assume faking than it does to assume a real unknown animal made the tracks.
The possiblity of bigfoot with 19 to 20 inch long tracks being real is ridiculous, I admit, but the tracks are there for sure, found all over the western mountains, quite consistent in shape and detail from all the hundreds of sources, and man are they real looking, with toe movements, soft portions evident and even dermal ridges in those made in soft mud that the FBI experts say could not have been faked.
I’ve personally only found one set of bigfoot tracks (summer 1993) in 25 years of hunting, fishing and backpacking all over the Southern San Juan Wilderness. I would have never found those, except I was investigating the source of a strange loud scream we had heard the evening before. Guess you can tell I am a curious dude. I have also only seen one set of bear tracks that I thought were grizzly tracks there (1975 or 76). Another set of bigfoot tracks was found there and photographed in 1988, about 4 miles from where I found mine. Those photos only came to my attention about a month ago, and had been gathering dust in the photo album of an outfitter/hunting guide who lives in that area.
Anybody else know of any possible bigfoot track photos from Colorado, let me know who has them, so I can investigate them. Or, if you don’t want to contact me, send them to Dr. Jeff Meldrum at Idaho State University. He is “the” pro on hominid tracks. He was chosen by the Leaky Foundation to make final assessment of the fossil hominid tracks (species source) found at Laetoli Africa by the Leaky’s, so you know he is good with tracks. He has come to the conclusion that many, in fact most, bigfoot tracks submitted to him are real. A few are faked of course.
Few hairs or feces are ever collected, because who is going to just go out collecting hair off things to determine source or know the difference between a bear poop or a bigfoot poop? We do have quite a few hairs collected from all over the west that match no known species yet, yet match each other (repository for these hairs is Dr. Henner Fahrenbach at the Oregon Primate Research Center, a medical facility). I wouldn’t know the difference between bear hair and bigfoot hair, so never wasted my time collecting any hairs from anything. Bones have never been collected, which is not surprising considering bones don’t last long in the wild, and that only 1 in a million hikers might know the difference between an elk bone and a bigfoot bone anyway and pick it up. Nobody is looking for bigfoot bones, as odds are too great against finding any, even if bigfoot was fairly numerous. There could be a bigfoot bone laying beside a trail in Yellowstone National Park for years and no one would know the difference. There could also be a bigfoot poop squarely on the same trail being stepped in by tourists who think they got buffalo poo on the shoe.
Could you hide in Yellowstone Park and never be seen by any human for 100 years. I could, and it wouldn’t be too hard even in that overrun place. How about in the San Juan Wilderness of Colorado. Could you and your family hide there if you wanted to? I think bigfoot try to hide from humans out of natural fear, but I don’t think they even have to try very hard to stay hidden for the most part. A bigfoot could be moving around all day in the black timber with all that downed old growth and never have to worry about running into a person. During hunting seasons few even go into that stuff very far, and when they do they could walk right by a bigfoot sitting beside the trail in his chocolate brown bark colored fur and never see the bugger. If bigfoot is a predator, which I think it is, then it is also probably good at remaining motionless beside a trail waiting for an elk to pass by. You yourself might have been within feet of one of them and never known it. But, bigfoot are evidently seen every once in awhile evidently if any of the thousands of eye witnesses are to be believed. You will have to decide if they are “all” lieing through their teeth.
Only the large and unusual tracks are very noticable, so that is what we have to study most often. I just happened to be fortunate enough or unfortunate enough, to have found a set myself in a wilderness area in Colorado, and got caught up in this mess. You all can decide for yourself if the tracks documented are real or fake, but don’t make the decision until you have studied 50 or more examples. Hopefully some of the new technologies will help us get better documentation of the creatures themselves, instead of just track signs, feces and hair. Thermal image cameras still cost about $10,000 or more, and no one has given me one yet, so the cost of technology will have to go down before I can use much of it. My first generation night vision stuff is about useless too, so I’ll just have to look at tracks every once in awhile whenever someone accidently finds some and listen to tales from other bowhunters. Generally, I trust other bowhunters as far as eyewitness accounts go, as most experienced bowhunters know wildlife pretty good. Bowhunters are a rare lot themselves, and may be getting rarer now. Glad to be able to visit with you other bowhunters on this very unusual wildlife subject.
Sorry if I go so long in these posts, but I try to anticipate questions that you guys might have and answer them. This odd subject takes lots of explaining, because the evidence is rather large and details important to establish facts vs fiction. I can provide names and phone numbers to all officials involved in all track cases and such if anyone is really interested to the point of contacting these people to confirm what I am telling you.
Is bigfoot impossible? Well, I would have certainly thought so, and did. Now I would just have to say, I think these tracks I have investigated are as real as any other tracks out there, whatever that means. The nice thing is that you can look at them too, and if you know much about tracks, can decide for yourself. But like I said, look at quite a few cases before finalizing the decision.
A Colorado bowhunting guide claims to have seen a bigfoot this fall while guiding hunters and elk hunting himself. Many of you probably know him, as he is a fairly well known guide and bowhunter. They saw it first as it crossed their path while going out of the hunting area on horseback with 6 clients in tow. The guide returned to the area and found tracks the next morning after getting his clients to their airline flights. The guide saw it again under better conditions in September of this year, and watched it through binoculars for 5 or 10 minutes as it sat in the open beside a small beaver pond. It was sitting watching his campsite while he was out bugling for elk, and he saw it on his return to camp. It eventually saw him on an outcrop watching it, but seemed fairly unconcerned. He was not completely sure it saw him, as he was in camo, but it kept looking in his direction and stared, but also stared at his tent several times. He described in detail its body, color, its facial structure and hands. I think the BFRO is going to post his sighting, which occurred in Teller County, and so will be posted on the Teller County database on the BFRO website. I investigated the sighting, and if nothing else, at least I have made a new bowhunting friend and we plan to do some turkey hunting next spring with our longbows and some whitetail rattling and decoy hunting next fall. You might get to see some of those hunts on TNN in the near future, which will be fun for me. Hopefully we are both good enough hunters to eventually get some bigfoot footage for you to watch too, if the bigfoot stays in the area involved.
The other two Colorado hunting guides who have reported bigfoot sightings to me in the past also said that the bigfoot they saw seemed fairly unafraid of them, but afraid enough to move off when encountered. One of those guides said he bugled in the bigfoot he saw, it evidently thinking him an elk to prey on. He said it came to within 30 yards before discovering its mistake and just turned around and walked out of the small meadow the guide was hunting after it saw the guide. After visiting with all three of these guides, I know they are not pulling our strings, but just giving an accurate account of what they encountered. This non-chalant reaction to a human close encounter by a bigfoot always seems to surprise the witnesses, especially people familiar with wildlife reaction to hunters. Bigfoot seem to act like they are boss of the woods, but have never hurt anyone and seem to be mostly afraid of people and stay hidden most of the time. Female bigfoot with their young and big mature adult males are hardly ever seen by people. Sightings are usually of smaller males with tracks left of about 15 to 17 inches in length. Kind of like we see more raghorn elk and forkhorn mule deer than we do the well matured bulls and bucks. The younger males are a little more stupid, or maybe just brazen. We find bigfoot tracks up to around 20 inches long, so we know they get bigger than the 8 foot tallish ones with tracks around 16 to 17 inches long. Three of the better documented track events in Colorado, those found or documented by law enforcement, were of tracks from 19 to 21 inches in length. We have video and good photos of all those tracks and statements from law and wildlife officials as to authenticity.
I know it is hard to believe, and I wouldn’t believe it myself if I had not been so involved in the investigations and had some personal experience. So, if you don’t think bigfoot is possible, thats fine, and that “is” a logical conclusion. The only problem with coming to that conclusion though is that you are calling three or four very good and experienced Colorado hunting guides and quite a few fellow Colorado bowhunters liars, or at the least poor wildlife observors in spite of the close proximity of the daytime sightings and their wildlife experience that likely eclipses your own experience by quite a bit. I think we should at least give these 4 Colorado hunting guides the benefit of the doubt and keep an open mind and study and document the tracks left behind after their encounters. Also keep in mind that more than 4 hunting guides are involved if you also consider track finds by outfitters and guides, as I have more of them too. I have track find reports from three other outfitters/guides who saw the tracks themselves and some track photos from one of those events. A bear and cougar hunting guide who has cut bigfoot tracks twice while following hounds after cats in snow. These are not little tracks involved, and way too big to be bear tracks. Most are from 8 to 10 inches wide across the 5 toes and pretty dang clear and not just melted out tracks. Most occur in mud or soil, and it is kind of hard to melt bigger in mud and dirt. The sightings and tracks are usually found in particular areas where elk numbers are higher than other locations at the time. These same elk areas are usually fairly remote from lots of human activity. In fact, if you look at the more recent BFRO Colorado Database of bigfoot sightings, you will find that they show us bowhunters where the best elk hunting in Colorado is. Wonder why that is? I think bigfoot males would make dang good elk hunting guides and do if you consider sighting locations. They are so big, hairy and stinky though, that they would be hard to tolerate in camp or on the trail. ): I bet they know what direction the wind is blowing though, as an elk would be able to smell them a mile away. I would certainly sit upwind of my bigfoot elk guide to talk over an evening campfire, and not just to keep the smoke out of my eyes. (:
I don’t know why bigfoot eat elk and not people. Why do cougars eat deer and rarely bother people? People are much slower and smaller. I do have a couple of cases of bigfoot possibly abducting a hunter for culinary purposes, but they consist of accounts of bigfoot tracks, blood on the snow, parts of the hunters clothing, and a missing hunter, so who knows what really happened in those cases. I only know of two of these kind of cases, one of which did occur in Colorado and involved a soldier on training from Camp Hale during WWII, south of Vail. Blood, clothing, bigfoot tracks and a missing soldier. Official records list the soldier just as missing, and all the rest of the story is rumor from long time residents in the area. And, it may be only rumor, but enough of them say it that it might have some basis in some facts. I don’t know why official records do not list the soldier as “eaten by a local bigfoot on Pearl Creek during snow manuvers”, do you? (:
I don’t know how many cougars out of 10,000 might attack and eat a person, but the numbers are pretty low. Same with black bears. Coastal grizzlies almost never attack people, but inland grizzlies do it fairly often. Cougars on Vancouver Island British Columbia attack people fairly often, but attacts on the mainland are rare. Figure that one out. Black bear boars are known to kill people for food, while black bear sows just attack out of defense of cubs and rarely if ever eat people. Some areas have higher rates of black bear attacks, and other areas with just as many bears very rarely ever have any incidents.
If bigfoot eats elk, like any other predator, it does not need to eat people very often. Elk are pretty good eating. I’ve never eaten human flesh and don’t plan to, so I’ll never know how the two compare as far as palatibility.
If bigfoot does not exist, then it will never eat anyone either. I wouldn’t lose sleep in bigfoot country, even if they do exist, as attacks are as rare or rarer than any other predator per bigfoot, if records are to be trusted. Who knows though, as many law officials would be very reticent to list cause of death as “bigfoot attack” for anyone found beheaded in the woods, even if tracks at the scene indicated bigfoot. You would be greatly surprised what “does not” go down on paper in some investigations for fear of ridicule. There could be ten or twenty missing person reports in the western mountain states where bigfoot tracks were found, and you wouldn’t hear about it in any newspaper, because it wouldn’t make it into the official investigative reports. The report might say “large tracks at the scene” but not “bigfoot tracks”.
Check Camp Hale Colorado records and go talk to old local residents if you want a gory story concerning bigfoot. Even to this day the Forest Service personel in that area will not go into the Pearl Creek area at night. At least those that know the story. Talk to Bob Poole, if he still heads the U.S. Forest Service in the Holy Cross Wilderness area, as I think he knows about some of that stuff. More goes on as far as bigfoot goes than the public knows about, alot more.
I’m serious, call some of these people if you want the scoop from somebody but me.
Bear tracks are also hard to find. Soft footed animal tracks, especially the larger ones, don’t impact much and can rarely be seen in grass or in pine needles. Tracks of bigfoot are found, and by some pretty reliable and experienced guides and outfitters. If bigfoot is real, it must be very rare. I’m concerned too about how many tracks “aren’t” found, but always remember all the official searches for grizzly tracks in the S.San Juan Wilderness. They searched and searched and searched, but came up empty handed and proclaimed the grizzly extinct, and then the get proof positive of the grizzlies again there in 1979. They also have some very convincing photos of a grizzly sow and two cubs from 1998 from southeast of Pagosa Springs that is in CDOW possession. Where are their tracks if they live there? We do find quite a few bigfoot tracks in snow, but everytime they are found, the official answer to the mystery is that the tracks are hoaxed. Everytime. This might be a mistake.
Roadkills might not apply if the bigfoot is intelligent enough to avoid such contact.
My main negative about bigfoot is “why wasn’t one ever killed by hunters who shot everything that moved in the period from 1850 to 1925?” There was a 75 year period of wildlife slaughter in the western states, no permits needed and nobody worrying about who shot what. Why didn’t anyone bring in a bigfoot carcass? I can see why in this day and age that someone might not shoot a bigfoot or not report it if they did, but not during that 75 year period of “shoot everything that moves”. Sure, we have lots of “stories” of bigfoot shootings from that period, but no one brought the bugger home for all to see.
If bigfoot is real, it is likely to be a predator that is naturally very rare because it has to be to survive, because it needs lots of meat. Too many of them in any one area would effect prey numbers too much. It would be kind of like a cougar with the brain of a chimpanzee or even smarter. A cougar with the brain of a chimp would be an almost impossible animal to hunt, wouldn’t it?
I hardly ever carry a camera with me when I’m actually hunting, but always have one in camp. I don’t want my camera banged around while I hunt, and don’t want to carry the extra weight around all day. The hunting guide who claimed to see the bigfoot in Colorado in September was not after any attention from anyone, but rather is concerned about it having a negative influence on his potential customers. Exactly the opposite of any noteriety as a good hunter and guide. He came forward because he saw it and wanted to share it with someone. I felt kind of the same way when I found tracks. I didn’t want to tell anyone really, for fear of ridicule, but there they were and what was I supposed to do? I seriously thought about keeping it quiet, but eventually just had to let others know about it. I guess I felt like it was an amazing mystery that needed some answers put to it. I’m very curious about it I guess. I wanted to hear about other Colorado hunters experiences with the bigfoot and thus my search. I would guess about half the people who contact me with sightings or track finds in Colorado don’t care if their names are shared. The other half has the sightings to share, but want complete anonimity because of fear of ridicule. These are the smarter ones, as I have been ridiculed to no end, simply because I shared my own find of tracks and started the chase of the animal that could have made them.
What really amazed me about bigfoot in Colorado was all the history of it that I have found. Such as the stuff from the 1500’s in northern New Mexico, the stories from 1800’s era government predator hunters, and the stories from 1800’s era Colorado miners. I have miner stories from around Crestone, another in the Holy Cross Wilderness area, and some from the Tarryall area. I had no idea that bigfoot was even supposed to have been in Colorado, let alone have a history. The Pueblo and also the Southern Utes have many stories of such animals in Colorado that date way back. I don’t think anyone has ever put all this historical data together, but it is interesting to me. Seems the hoaxers involved have been laying down fake bigfoot tracks in Colorado for at least 450 years, and continue full bore today. The consistency of the tracks is amazing, as they are not just big human looking tracks, but have many anatomical characteristics all their own.
Put everything together, the history, the current consistent and unique tracks being found in backcountry areas, the hunters and hunting guide eyewitness testimony, the consistent descriptions of the size and shape of the animal itself, the law enforcement investigations to the fact that some of the tracks could not have been faked, and it starts to look very interesting. It starts to look like the impossible is possible. I too think it is impossible for this animal to have remained unofficial up to this point in time. At least until I start looking at the evidence myself and listening to the eyewitnesses myself.
I remind everyone that in 1935, Florida biologist stated in unison that it was impossible for the Florida cougar to have survived in their state. They were absolutely, positively, uncatagorically sure that the cougar was extinct there. 1935 was the year a frustrated sportsman named Dave Newell decided to take the matter into his own hands after giving up on the biologists, and hired the Lee brothers to come from Arizona to try to prove that cougars lived in Florida. They treed and killed three cougars on the first day of hunting with hounds, and ended up with 7 cougars killed. This occurred in a state where the states own biologists were sure there were no cougars living. What if those Florida cougars were as smart as a chimpanzee, and much rarer? After 1935, they finally determined there were not only cougars in Florida, there were hundreds of them. This is absolutely the true story of how the Florida cougar was discovered. An “impossible” animal became “official” there in 1935, thanks to a sportsman that braved the ridicule of the educated Florida biologists, and went on a “wild goose chase”. I don’t know how to prove bigfoot exists, as dogs evidently fear them and won’t tree them. The Colorado hunting guide who claims to have cut bigfoot tracks twice while hunting behind his hounds stated that his dogs showed great aggitation and fear at the smell of the tracks and quit hunting for the day.
Some things that appear impossible, have become possible in the field of biology. It is not that there is little physical evidence or eyewitness testimony concerning bigfoot, it is that bigfoot is ignorred as “impossible”, just like the Florida cougar. Florida biologists should have kept their minds open a little bit, and done a little investigations themselves. Then they wouldn’t have had their pants pulled down and had to suffer such astounding embarressment. Some day maybe I will get to pull some pants down too. Have you seen a Colorado wolverine, or a Colorado grizzly, or a Colorado lynx? I haven’t, but that does not mean they don’t exist, just because I have not seen one or found their tracks. I did find what I thought were grizzly tracks in the South San Juan Wilderness in 1975 or 1976, but was laughed at by officials then too. I have spent over 300 days and nights in that area, and only found grizzly tracks once and only found bigfoot tracks once. The grizzly did exist there in 1976, as proven by the Ed Wiseman attack in 1979, and I think there is a good chance they are still there. Why can’t our biologists find tracks of them? Why can’t I find any more bigfoot tracks there, in spite of looking and looking and looking? Why do officials ignor the bigfoot tracks being found every year in Colorado? I will tell you that some in Colorado official wildlife management have recieved some pretty good evidence of what they call “the other big mammal”. Not all CDOW officials are completely close minded about grizzlies or bigfoot. Utah also has an employee named Rudy Drobnick that officially investigates bigfoot sightings and track finds out of his Salt Lake City offices of the wildlife department. Wyoming has an official that is nearing retirement and is going to release some very interesting studies upon his retirement. Why wait until retirement? Because “bigfoot” is a subject of ridicule, even though the evidences are pretty strong. Florida cougars were also a subject of ridicule. Peer pressure does funny things to scientists, including keeping the “impossible”, “impossible”.
Just remember the Florida cougar and the story of it’s discovery, when thinking about how “impossible” things are not always as impossible as they might appear. I’m just keeping my mind open and collecting sightings and physical evidences to hand over to officials in the event that some impossible animal is officially discovered some day. You can ridicule me all you want, but perhaps someday my files will be relevant, and I will be glad I did the study. For now though, I wish I had never found the tracks, I wish I had not told anyone, and I wish I had not started this ridiculous search for the impossible. Somebody had to do it though.
Actually, I like to listen to logical alternatives to bigfoot. I also have to remember that 10 years ago I myself would have said “no way” to any thought that bigfoot could be real. At that time I guess I thought that all tracks were either faked or the result of bear tracks overlapping and misidentified. Then when I ran across those tracks on that dirt slide on the north edge of the S.San Juan Wilderness where I just can’t imagine anyone would fake them, it just blew me away. When I close my files on physical evidence, forget all the testimony from hunting guides and such, and forget the tracks I found, I drift back to unbelief myself.
As for my opinion on poaching a bigfoot to prove they exist. I am going out of my way in time and expense to get professional video of one of them by using a professional wildlife videographer with $30,000 camera equipment, and buying weeks of time, to hopefully get definitive proof eventually. A rifle cartridge would be much cheaper, but I have elected the other route.
If any of you come across bigfoot tracks or see a bigfoot yourself, let me know about it. I’ll file it and keep your name a secret until definitive proof is had. If bigfoot is proven, only then will I turn my files over to wildlife authorities, to maintain your anonimity on such a controversial subject. I have recieved 4 sightings from bowhunters in Colorado and one from Utah from response to threads on bigfoot on this forum, so I guess the ridicule suffered is worth it. I also recieved info from an official in the Wyoming wildlife department, which you will all know about eventually, as he is going to make a public statement upon his nearing retirement. So all this has been worth it. Thanks again to you bowhunters who have forwarded your own sightings to me.
If you shot a bigfoot, you would be crucified in the media, but I doubt any court could make any conviction stick, such as murder or poaching of an endangered species. There is no priori reason for conviction, as bigfoot does not exist as an endangered species or a form of man. I think there are three small locations now where bigfoot is officially listed as an endangered species or protected animal, and you would not want to shoot one in those areas as fines are specified already. There was even a meeting on “Sasquatch Habitat” in Idaho last year, attended by many of the wests most prominent biologists. Figure that out! Why have a meeting of biologists on an animal that does not exist? I didn’t attend, but heard of the meeting from the people that are doing the grizzly bear study in Glacier National Park. One of their biologists attended and said it was a very interesting presentation. I think Colorado is one of the few western mountain states that does not have someone in official wildlife manag